tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post2382632574340209033..comments2024-03-14T13:50:26.981-04:00Comments on Chaz's School Daze: Why We Must Eliminate The ATR PoolChazhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-71936343067840417332014-07-30T18:36:39.694-04:002014-07-30T18:36:39.694-04:00Mr. Principal:
I agree with you. Maybe the 2009 ...Mr. Principal:<br /><br />I agree with you. Maybe the 2009 ATR Agreement showed be employed.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-41276643239035004412014-07-30T14:22:11.186-04:002014-07-30T14:22:11.186-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-25395376609639117002014-07-30T09:31:36.327-04:002014-07-30T09:31:36.327-04:00DISCLAIMER: I'm a principal.
I just stumbled ...DISCLAIMER: I'm a principal.<br /><br />I just stumbled upon this piece and I think the ideas presented are unworkable. No one benefits when a teacher is forced upon a principal. Further, enacting hiring freezes, forced interviews, and the like, will contribute to increased animus between principals and ATRs--a step in the wrong direction. What I suggest the DOE do is simply allow principals to hire ATRs for free or at a year one salary rate for a period of at least five years. This provides a definite incentive for principals to consider ATRs who may not otherwise be considered because of the salaries they command. Salary should not be a factor when hiring teachers, especially when the teacher's salary will be paid in full whether trapped in the current revolving door ATR system or as a permanent, productive member of a school community. The bottom line: good teachers are needed in every classroom. No one cares if you are new, seasoned, ATR, transitionally licensed, beat charges--all of that is absolutely irrelevant. I'm more concerned about what you can offer my kids and school community today, tomorrow and in the immediate future. If you've got what it takes, I want you with my kids.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-71195487502853080412014-02-06T13:21:11.341-05:002014-02-06T13:21:11.341-05:00Hey so far your suggestions sound good. I especial...Hey so far your suggestions sound good. I especially like the idea of possibly working as a provisional hire . A good fit is definitely necessary. <br />45 yr old guidance counselor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-46956551888342271722014-02-05T21:13:18.431-05:002014-02-05T21:13:18.431-05:00Hey, Chaz, thanks for doing this, and thanks for w...Hey, Chaz, thanks for doing this, and thanks for writing about it.<br /><br />Jonathan<br />(one day over fifty)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-74204972237862231252014-02-04T16:47:00.993-05:002014-02-04T16:47:00.993-05:00simpliest solution that makes sense to please ever...simpliest solution that makes sense to please everyone. place the teachers that want to be placed-observations done by principals at the school.Rotate the ones who do not wish to be force placed taking their chance with the field supervisors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-81202402496065494322014-02-04T16:12:24.921-05:002014-02-04T16:12:24.921-05:00Anon 1:26
I intend to do just that. In fact, I&#...Anon 1:26<br /><br />I intend to do just that. In fact, I'm going to ask the UFT t5o file a grievance on the validity of the process of using field supervisors.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-11198780243987216652014-02-04T13:26:11.710-05:002014-02-04T13:26:11.710-05:00As a member of the ATR Advisory board your first s...As a member of the ATR Advisory board your first step is to tell the powers that be to du away with the Field Supervisors who are tormenting us!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-61909330043354636392014-02-04T13:25:02.042-05:002014-02-04T13:25:02.042-05:00Too late for what?Too late for what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-48367667806062163502014-02-03T22:19:51.762-05:002014-02-03T22:19:51.762-05:00I am beginning to become concerned. The whole ATR ...I am beginning to become concerned. The whole ATR mess will take a while to sort out, but... Carmen Farina is an educator, surely she would know these observations by field supervisors have no validity. Why has she let them continue?Does she know of their existence? <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-71093469608181647382014-02-03T19:28:53.417-05:002014-02-03T19:28:53.417-05:00So when will there be any announcements about the ...So when will there be any announcements about the handling of the Atr situation. If they wait till the summer it may be too lateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-11244559673179549282014-02-03T18:31:49.640-05:002014-02-03T18:31:49.640-05:00Anon 345pm
How can you insult him like that? I h...Anon 345pm<br /><br />How can you insult him like that? I have been reading his blog for years and he has been consistent with his ideas on the ATR issue <br /><br />Just because the union finally recognized that chaz is an asset for them on this issue is no reason to accuse him of selling out.<br /><br />It sounds like you are jealous that the union didn't bother to select you for the ATR advisory committee. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-88631448172128075922014-02-03T16:50:30.686-05:002014-02-03T16:50:30.686-05:00If you really believe that then you should have a ...If you really believe that then you should have a brain scan to see if you are suffering from Alzheimer's.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-44699157638971712562014-02-03T15:45:29.410-05:002014-02-03T15:45:29.410-05:00You're beginning to sound like THEM.You're beginning to sound like THEM. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-34146223440545072512014-02-03T12:08:53.576-05:002014-02-03T12:08:53.576-05:00That hardship stuff is garbage. DOE is denying AL...That hardship stuff is garbage. DOE is denying ALL transfers, even if it violates the contract. UFT, even after grievance, does nothing. Every week, all year, same problem. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-81428597625387608832014-02-03T10:16:12.413-05:002014-02-03T10:16:12.413-05:00Chaz you are doing the right thing and it makes me...Chaz you are doing the right thing and it makes me feel secure knowing that you will be participating with he UFT to finally dissolve the ridiculous atr pool. The elimination of the fair student funding nonsense should put an end to this insanity. You go Chaz!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-54678882184659153662014-02-02T23:17:29.059-05:002014-02-02T23:17:29.059-05:00To Chaz (1:20)
I used the word many, not most. I p...To Chaz (1:20)<br />I used the word many, not most. I personally would prefer to go back to the classroom; I don't know if "most " would prefer that, and if you're honest neither do you. I think it's important for all viewpoints to be represented not just those who may be in agreement with whatever the union is planning. I enjoy your blog and care about your opinion, even if you don't about mine. (I do alot more than gripe.)<br />Good luck with the committee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-25576186445236487122014-02-02T20:58:52.116-05:002014-02-02T20:58:52.116-05:00Anon 5:32 and 6:07
I agree with the both of you t...Anon 5:32 and 6:07<br /><br />I agree with the both of you that the teaching profession in NYC is under attack and being an ATR is not a terrible situation in this environment.<br /><br />However, we need to be back in the classroom and prove we are the "quality teachers" we are. Even if it means stuck for a year in a terrible school.<br /><br />Anon 5:07<br /><br />The contract includes hardship transfers Article 18B pg 108. Contact the union and DOE and ask for such a transfer when you are assigned to a school that is too far to travel to.<br /><br />Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-78384474776834687192014-02-02T18:07:48.800-05:002014-02-02T18:07:48.800-05:00What is really sad is that teachers have asked me ...What is really sad is that teachers have asked me "how can I become an ATR ?" This is where our profession is? As an ATR this year I have been able to visit 14 schools and the gloom and doom of the teaching profession is everywhere. Our union is to blame, I dont know Chaz but those who are blaming him are barking up the wrong tree. The union which we pay dues to has looked the other way and perhaps they hope these problems will just go away. If they allow these supervisors to give U ratings to us ATRs then who is going to want to hire us if we are walking in with an unsatisfactory on our record?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-12253121337597361452014-02-02T17:32:07.291-05:002014-02-02T17:32:07.291-05:00First of all chaz this is nothing like the profess...First of all chaz this is nothing like the profession I entered over 20 years ago.As an atr i have witnessed so much bs window dressing going on in schools instead of real teaching that it is sickening.<br /> Secondly I always had a say where I taught till recently-why should i be denied a say now? I applied to countless schools only to never hear from them. You yourself know that the open market is useless.<br />I do not want to be placed in some school with a headhunter acting as a principal. Being an atr is not how i envisioned ending my career, but then again neither is working in a toxic environment. anon 2:58 got it rightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-39760130733049384552014-02-02T17:07:53.113-05:002014-02-02T17:07:53.113-05:00And I repeat, we are accountable...to travel 2 plu...And I repeat, we are accountable...to travel 2 plus hours each way every day if that's where our weekly placement is which by the way violates the contract, if the ATR supervisor gives us a U for no reason, if we are given extra classes in a day, if we are cursed and threatened by students, etc...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-76593728254161259212014-02-02T16:35:56.481-05:002014-02-02T16:35:56.481-05:00I repeat we are teachers and should be treated lik...I repeat we are teachers and should be treated like other teachers and that means being in a classroom and making a difference to our students. Good or bad.<br /><br />Rotating weekly and not being accountable is not what we entered teaching for.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-8826709012375341192014-02-02T14:58:14.583-05:002014-02-02T14:58:14.583-05:00maybe our choice should include continuing to rota...maybe our choice should include continuing to rotate - I don't want to be placed in a terrible place of which there are many - I don't want to be place 2 hours from my house or even more than 60 minutes - I don't want to be rated using the disgusting Danielson - I don't want to work for crap principals- I don't agree with Common Core - I want a choice of where I end up and If I don't get one then I should have the choice to continue to rotate - all the choices suck and frankly everyone wants outAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-69788928518523583122014-02-02T14:03:54.211-05:002014-02-02T14:03:54.211-05:00Lets have a citywide Atr meeting again or a direct...Lets have a citywide Atr meeting again or a direct email, so all our voices can be heard. Otherwise I feel like the silent majority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-89019314010127107982014-02-02T13:20:23.762-05:002014-02-02T13:20:23.762-05:00Anon 1:12
On the contrary, most ATRs want to be b...Anon 1:12<br /><br />On the contrary, most ATRs want to be back into the classroom, even if you don't. I may not speak for you but I speak for most ATRs and that's what counts.<br /><br />Rather than gripe why don't you contact Amy Arundell and Michael Sill and join the ATR advisory committee?<br /><br /><br />I want to make a difference and this at least, offers an opportunity to do just that. If you don't agree, that's just too bad. Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.com