tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post5149319324158587220..comments2024-03-14T13:50:26.981-04:00Comments on Chaz's School Daze: The Good News Is The "Rubber Rooms" Are Closing. The Bad News Is That Teacher Due Process In The 3020-a Process Remains UnchangedChazhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-17556185079945335812010-04-24T15:12:10.874-04:002010-04-24T15:12:10.874-04:00I still don't see where the win is. The victo...I still don't see where the win is. The victory for teachers was in Florida where they staged a sickout and the governor vetoed a bill that would have ended tenure for new hires.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-87606737434862286122010-04-20T19:27:17.750-04:002010-04-20T19:27:17.750-04:00Chaz I am referring to the recent press and the ru...Chaz I am referring to the recent press and the rubber room issue. It is an issue now with regards to exposing their corruption as a tactic to smear their policies and minimize their public appeal which will aid the ATR plight. Surely, the UFT/NYSUT has the numbers as they represent the vast majority of members forced into stipulation agreements which spell out the $$$$ members have to fork over. And of course the DOE held harmless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-44934513140533929072010-04-20T19:09:30.679-04:002010-04-20T19:09:30.679-04:00JD2718:
We did allow the DOE to expand the "...JD2718:<br /><br />We did allow the DOE to expand the "probable cause provision that take teachers offline for up to three months. Furthermore, Michael Ftorillo does bring up potential problems with the agreement. That is why it is not a "pure win".<br /><br />Anon 12:32<br /><br />I did write about this back in 2008.<br /><br />http://chaz11.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-doe-explots-reassigned-teachers-by.htmlChazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-76944377961571323032010-04-20T18:18:44.473-04:002010-04-20T18:18:44.473-04:00It has been the pattern for the Dept to put the re...It has been the pattern for the Dept to put the reassigned teachers back to their original schools when the principals and the dept intended to set that teacher up to fail or build a better case against him or her.<br />That tactic was used selectively in the past, with the current agreement the dept expends the same tactic of setting up to fail to many more teachers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-89803271059965368512010-04-20T16:15:36.244-04:002010-04-20T16:15:36.244-04:00Anon
The pay-for-play scheme orchestrated by DOE h...Anon<br />The pay-for-play scheme orchestrated by DOE has always been a sad and ignored joke. <br />Someday I will figure out when it began and why NYSUT has never fought it. <br />I still can't begin to fathom who buys the construct that fining a teacher for a pedagogical issue helps anyone. Can we fine arbitrators who make bad decisions? They would think that was ridiculous. Can we fine our NYSUT lawyers? Can we fine the UFT when they make a short sighted rubber room agreement (again).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-48180678068243365362010-04-20T15:32:59.920-04:002010-04-20T15:32:59.920-04:00Nowhere in any of the reporting or commentary has ...Nowhere in any of the reporting or commentary has the corrupt policy of shaking down members forcing them to pay thousands to return to their profession been stated. How many teachers, counselors, secretaries etc.. were forced to fork over tribute stipulation agreements) to this corrupt administration. That is a number that should be publicized by the UFT against Klein to off set the groundswell he is trying to create against the ATR's. NYSUT must have the dollar value extorted from the members during Klein's TENURE as Chancellor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-54734569538343381022010-04-20T06:26:01.994-04:002010-04-20T06:26:01.994-04:00What is so good about ending the 'rubber rooms...What is so good about ending the 'rubber rooms'? They were simply DOE's warehouses for accused and mistreated teachers. Now they are to be dissolved and the accused and mistreated teachers will be sent elsewhere.<br />The rubber rooms had become an expensive and public failure in the DOE's war on teachers: Teachers were not retirng or resigning upon arrival in the rubber rooms. <br />By keeping the anti-teacher processs DOE can continue to mistreat teachers. I think UFT missed an opportunity to extract concesstions on the teacher abuse process itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-17813487381021969182010-04-20T02:02:07.501-04:002010-04-20T02:02:07.501-04:00I am glad the Rubber Rooms will be closing, but I ...I am glad the Rubber Rooms will be closing, but I am under no illusion that things will get better for the detainees. I predict we will be humiliated and/or given boring administrative jobs. I agree that we will forced through the system faster. However, we will be more visible. While we were warehoused at full salary, people on the outside felt justified in ignoring us based on the fact that we were getting paid for doing nothing all day. Now the machine will gobble up more and more people faster and faster. I hope that this will lead to greater resistance as every teacher realizes that he or she is at risk.Moriah Untamedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08256637291823077134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-2640520413577503082010-04-19T21:30:41.831-04:002010-04-19T21:30:41.831-04:00Two additional points:
1) Teachers who return to ...Two additional points:<br /><br />1) Teachers who return to their schools for endless lunch duty and potty patrol are likely to be persistently humiliated in ways large and small, and treated like pariahs. <br /><br />2) The expedited procedure is going to work against teachers: they will have only ten calendar days to gather evidence and respond in their defense once charges have officially been made. The structure of the proceedings is going to favor the DOE.<br /><br />But what does Unity care? They got this bad PR monkey off their back (seemingly unaware that Murdoch and Zuckerman will create others). Based on their treatment of members in the rubber room over the years, they seem to believe that most of the people in this purgatory are guilty anyway.<br /><br />After all, innocent people don't get arrested, right?Michael Fiorillonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-4622835804429335462010-04-19T19:17:19.448-04:002010-04-19T19:17:19.448-04:00Chaz,
"pure win" in the sense of not lo...Chaz,<br /><br />"pure win" in the sense of not losing anything. And we didn't. We won without giving up.<br /><br />All of your points are well-taken. I know full well there is much that needs to be addressed, but is not addressed in this agreement.<br /><br />But it ends the Rubber Rooms. I have read at least five knee-jerk bloggers who make that fact, the central fact, a footnote. They ignore the real benefit, and spin hypotheticals and potentials into "sellout"? <br /><br />You might disagree that I chose the word "pure." But we both know we have a win.<br /><br />JonathanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-1577719878442210582010-04-19T18:51:34.941-04:002010-04-19T18:51:34.941-04:00Bingo! This weekend I blogged about that issue wh...Bingo! This weekend I blogged about that issue where principals who falsely accused a teacher or came up with questionable trumped charges, go about their day unscathed! This is utterly a slap in the face of justice. Principals who willing lie/cheat/connive should be removed for harming/jeopardizing the career of a teacher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com