tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post894011029302796948..comments2024-03-14T13:50:26.981-04:00Comments on Chaz's School Daze: Why New York City Is Not Detroit.Chazhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-37694105730220449972019-02-22T16:10:13.075-05:002019-02-22T16:10:13.075-05:00"...the bankruptcy in Detroit is a warning si..."...the bankruptcy in Detroit is a warning sign for New York City when negotiating with the unions..."<br /><br />Detroit wasn't bankrupted by unions. Back when the unions were strongest, Detroit was at its strongest. And at that time, the middle class standard of living was rose dramatically. Detroit went bankrupt at a time when unions were weaker than they had been in decades. <br /><br />Other factors in Detroit's demise were white flight, corruption at the top, and astronomically-wealthy CEO's sending jobs overseas and passing the profits on to themselves rather than to workers to spend in the economy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-56600140936404938122013-08-01T19:16:22.757-04:002013-08-01T19:16:22.757-04:00A previous poster, Geo Karo, thinks that the finan...A previous poster, Geo Karo, thinks that the financial sector will ALWAYS supply 1/3 of the revenue that NYC takes in. If the financial sector ever goes to online trading and leaves NYC, this city will be bankrupt. Who can be sure that it won't happen?28 year retired NYC teachernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-59259628460309357052013-07-31T22:21:46.400-04:002013-07-31T22:21:46.400-04:00I agree also, Detroit in no manner is NYC. Fundame...I agree also, Detroit in no manner is NYC. Fundamental economics:<br /><br />Detroit was based on auto <b>manufacturing.</b><br />NY shed much of its light manufacturing, but today, as for generations, the financial sector is as strong a factor in the economy as it ever has.<br /><br />Even Michigan's (Republican) attorney general Bill Schuette has said that the snatching away of Detroit pensions is improper:<br />http://bluesunited.blogspot.com/2013/07/public-pensions-big-casualty-in.htmlGeoKarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11463970361326939857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-32098894209655953522013-07-31T01:35:44.614-04:002013-07-31T01:35:44.614-04:00Yes Chaz. You make some valid points. NYC is not g...Yes Chaz. You make some valid points. NYC is not going bankrupt next year. But remember something: NYC almost went bankrupt in 1975. You're too young to remember that, but I do! In Oct 1975, before reversing himself and supplying loan guarantees, Pres. Ford said at the end of a speech to the national press club:<br /><br /> " ...we must never forget what brought this great center of human civilization to the brink. If we go on spending more than we have, providing more benefits and more services than we can pay for, then a day of reckoning will come to Washington and the whole country just as it has to New York City.<br />And so, let me conclude with one question of my own: When that day of reckoning comes, who will bail out the United States of America?"<br /><br />It's funny that nobody remembers this, yet 40 years later that's just where we are. <br /><br />And it's real funny to me that you look past the bloodbath that teachers are facing next year, with this new evaluation system, to worry about a miserable little raise. You should be worrying about what your pension will buy after it is cut, and inflation eats into it. <br />28 year retired NYC teachernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-75453484906472893212013-07-30T10:34:26.620-04:002013-07-30T10:34:26.620-04:00Your points are well taken and remind me of the 20...Your points are well taken and remind me of the 2005 contract with UFT reps stating that we should take a cold hard look at manufacturing jobs going to Mexico and accept the economic realities of this! I said, they cannot export our jobs to Mexico. <br /><br />But, now there's <b>Khan Academy</b>. Going to a tech conference Wednesday at Murry Bergtraum. Let's see if there is any smell of using tech to outsource our jobs. <br /><br />johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04021486625445211359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-16889091325231592682013-07-30T00:58:57.683-04:002013-07-30T00:58:57.683-04:00Thanx for this. We will need this information in ...Thanx for this. We will need this information in the coming months as the Unity leadership, the Post, and others will make the case.lorettanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-31404297286528812122013-07-29T19:15:01.028-04:002013-07-29T19:15:01.028-04:00Good comparison. I think that Ed the Apple is a s...Good comparison. I think that Ed the Apple is a sounding board for the UFT and we need to let them know that New York City is not Detroit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-77539063234073712052013-07-29T10:10:18.126-04:002013-07-29T10:10:18.126-04:009 govaizeEd in the Apple is a shill for the union ...9 govaizeEd in the Apple is a shill for the union - they're looking to sell us out again next contract.<br /><br />Great pushback, Chaz.reality-based educatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01712885202661371924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-34965191955445621822013-07-29T00:16:28.933-04:002013-07-29T00:16:28.933-04:00Peter Goodman is putting out an advanced line from...Peter Goodman is putting out an advanced line from Unity to expect little. Softening everyone up. They will use Detroit to try to bludgeon people. Keep this analysis handy. It will be useful.ed notes onlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15018047869059226777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-363477436467997962013-07-28T19:14:37.007-04:002013-07-28T19:14:37.007-04:00Great compare and contract piece between Detroit a...Great compare and contract piece between Detroit and NYC.I noticed that...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-7081876554855476132013-07-28T18:56:02.545-04:002013-07-28T18:56:02.545-04:00What do you expect from the Unity mouthpiece? Is ...What do you expect from the Unity mouthpiece? Is he trying to tell us something?<br /><br />I agree with you that Detroit has no impact on City/union negotiations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com