tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post6162595304388820173..comments2024-03-14T13:50:26.981-04:00Comments on Chaz's School Daze: The Story Of Ebony & Ivory - In The Bizarro World Of The DOE, Settlements Are Made With "Bad Teachers" Who Are Threats To The Students And StaffChazhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-26137500772506253212010-09-19T12:35:06.241-04:002010-09-19T12:35:06.241-04:00Anon: 6:44
Let's start with the mediation pro...Anon: 6:44<br /><br />Let's start with the mediation process. It is not really mediation. Usually the mediator tries to pressure the teacher to take the DOE settlement terms rather than ask for a counter offer.<br /><br />Some arbitrators are known to give very harsh sentences and therefore it might be easier to take a settlement offer. Consequently , it is important to know your Arbitrator's history.<br /><br />Finally, the DOE must prove their case and usually they have trouble getting the students in.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-53780036753044448862010-09-19T08:31:12.781-04:002010-09-19T08:31:12.781-04:00Fascinating last comment (6:44). I'd love to c...Fascinating last comment (6:44). I'd love to copy it into its own post and circulate.Under Assaulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222267229529062957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-86239971628816354012010-09-19T06:44:47.800-04:002010-09-19T06:44:47.800-04:00Mediation often splits differences. Teachers need ...Mediation often splits differences. Teachers need to know that and the NYSUT lawyers know that. A harsh DOE offer for a frivolous 3020a should be met with a response of "withdraw the false charges, compensate me for the specific damages done (physical, emotional, future earnings potential, missed per session", I am suing you, blah blah blah". The NYSUT lawyer (who is not to be trusted by the way) has to know/believe that the teacher actually means it. The teacher should present a professional yet 'outraged' posture each and every time he/she has communication with their NYSUT attlrey. That means in the odious off-the-record discussion between the lawyers and mediator the counter offer will be repeated and DOE will realize the teacher is serious. And then as the negotiations begin the teacher has items they can reluctantly peel off their demands as DOE peels off items from their harsh offer. And teachers should come with their prescriptions, lawyer correspondence, per session pay stubs, etc. <br />The babe in the woods teacher facing false or frivolous charges is looking to become a victim. I suppose ebony and ivory might play the system better than other teachers. <br />For some teachers the realistic goal might be a complete withdrawal of charges and for others it might be a 'letter of counselling'. That is far less than a letter of reprimand and allows for a comprehensive written response attachment.<br />Without rambling, you may have noticed that arbitration often, if not usually, results in lower punishments than the BOE settlement offers. Especially if the charges are frivolous and do not involve harm to a student. It may be the same for this new mediation process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-78414702008946341022010-09-18T23:23:32.086-04:002010-09-18T23:23:32.086-04:00Everybody I know who went into mediation has had p...Everybody I know who went into mediation has had problems with it. The mediators (arbitrators) seem to pressure the teachers to take the DOE settlement conditions. The original offers were very harsh but have softened somewhat under pressure to meet the December 31st deadline. However, most of the settlement offers in mediation were similar to offers that the DOE offered before mediation.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-17518588958329461192010-09-18T06:15:04.184-04:002010-09-18T06:15:04.184-04:00Chaz
I hope your friends counter-offered the DOE s...Chaz<br />I hope your friends counter-offered the DOE settlement offer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-75118864363747356472010-09-16T22:52:56.418-04:002010-09-16T22:52:56.418-04:00Ebony and Ivory are similar to various individuals...Ebony and Ivory are similar to various individuals that I had the misfortune of knowing while I was in the Rubber Room and are the reason why I will always support the closing of the Rubber Rooms. That kind of behavior cannot take place now that we have been split up and are surrounded by normal people who are busy doing their normal jobs. The situation is not ideal, and there are definite disadvantages, but the crazy acting out is over. I don't know how you can be sure about the outcome of their cases, which is confidential. However, assuming that they did receive a very light punishment compared to others just confirms what I always suspected--some people were planted in the Rubber Rooms to make life a living hell and to give us all a bad reputation.Moriah Untamedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08256637291823077134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-28267208600559654732010-09-16T19:38:54.957-04:002010-09-16T19:38:54.957-04:00Ebony and Ivory sound just like the characters who...Ebony and Ivory sound just like the characters who performed everyday in my reassignment center... They never got tired of making the lives of the other teachers a living hell. It was one scenario after another and they always got away with it in the end.FidgetyTeachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13062058958826674862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-72529705037280841512010-09-16T18:44:39.629-04:002010-09-16T18:44:39.629-04:00Anon 5:05
Not true. One of my friends is a great...Anon 5:05<br /><br />Not true. One of my friends is a great teacher and the DOE offered him a one year suspension while another was offered resignation for a year of pay. Both are excellent teachers and were targeted by their Principals.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-49449497307202594472010-09-16T17:51:59.864-04:002010-09-16T17:51:59.864-04:00Perhaps they received the generic settlement DOE i...Perhaps they received the generic settlement DOE is doling out in an effort to empty the rubber rooms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-26199429562587916312010-09-16T13:54:52.983-04:002010-09-16T13:54:52.983-04:00Be it concentration camps, Russion gulags, Chinese...Be it concentration camps, Russion gulags, Chinese Laogan camps, or NYC rubber rooms, they are all created by Hitler, Stallin, Mao and Bloomberg not for the social deviants, but created to purge social dissidents under the pretexts of Jewish conspirators, agents of the west, anti-revolutionaries, or bad teachers for a change.<br />I venture to say the likes of Ebony or Ivory are not too different from many of the admins, and both Ebony/Ivory and admins know it. they are no different from two sides of the same coin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-23510644688906614462010-09-15T22:35:26.609-04:002010-09-15T22:35:26.609-04:00If one or both were black, I bet the DOE was afrai...If one or both were black, I bet the DOE was afraid of being sued - so the bigger bullies won.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-38622638853442253272010-09-15T21:31:19.299-04:002010-09-15T21:31:19.299-04:00What a big surprise to learn the stories of Ebony ...What a big surprise to learn the stories of Ebony and Ivory and the way they were being handled by DOE! Getting rid of BAD teachers never was the primary objective of the rubber room, it was created first and foremost to terrorize the whole staff and to punish any teacher who dares to stand up for his or her rights.<br /><br />The Ebonies and the Ivories are nothing but bullies, a bully is willing and ready to submit when a bigger bully shows up, and the big bully-DOE never really feels being threatened by the Ebonies and the Ivories.<br /><br />A bad teacher is inconvenient but never a threat, an independent good teacher is often perceived as a real threat to some admins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com