tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post7768642627354703722..comments2024-03-14T13:50:26.981-04:00Comments on Chaz's School Daze: Why The UFT and DOE Makes It Almost Impossible To Be Aquitted By An Arbitrator In Their 3020-a HearingsChazhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-67350263280399220602011-03-19T14:10:10.878-04:002011-03-19T14:10:10.878-04:00I am presently going through everything you discus...I am presently going through everything you discussed in your posts. I am not anonymous, my name is Ina (my name is Adam voice) and I am innocent!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-14619328294367375582011-01-30T01:27:08.361-05:002011-01-30T01:27:08.361-05:00A better caption might be:
"Why The UFT And ...A better caption might be:<br /><br />"Why The UFT And DOE Make It Almost Impossible For Teachers To Be Acquitted By A Single Arbitrator At The Conclusion Of The Teachers' Education Law ยง3020-a Hearings"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-39500837226768945942011-01-30T01:17:36.068-05:002011-01-30T01:17:36.068-05:00A very, very informative post!
Kudos to Chaz!
Tw...A very, very informative post!<br /><br />Kudos to Chaz!<br /><br />Two minor corrections in the caption:<br /><br />"Makes" should be "Make."<br /><br />"Aquitted" should be "Acquitted."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-50272198101129717872011-01-18T13:09:05.771-05:002011-01-18T13:09:05.771-05:00The truth of the matter is that everyone except th...The truth of the matter is that everyone except the hapless teacher who is involved in the 3020a proceeding has something to gain or something to keep. Arbitrators make good money, both DoE and nysut attorneys get paid, principals get rid of the undesirable teachers, uft washes their hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-8608250551705369682011-01-18T07:39:55.469-05:002011-01-18T07:39:55.469-05:00It is about time that some of the 3020-a proceedur...It is about time that some of the 3020-a proceedures are exposed by Chaz.<br /><br />When I thought I was going to be subject to 3020-a charges by my lousy and stupid Leadership Academy Principal I asked the District Representative how it works. Her response was "don't worry the union will provide you with a lawyer and that is all you need to know". Great.<br /><br />Chaz, Keep up the good work in helping the teachers know their rights .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-63924251424337174732011-01-17T19:51:13.332-05:002011-01-17T19:51:13.332-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-13449578402078395462011-01-17T19:22:52.593-05:002011-01-17T19:22:52.593-05:00Anon 6:49
I agree with you.Anon 6:49<br /><br />I agree with you.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-52137162373173864292011-01-17T18:49:42.949-05:002011-01-17T18:49:42.949-05:00If every reassigned teacher, who truly believes hi...If every reassigned teacher, who truly believes his or her own innocence, acts upon the principles and fights the charges instead of entering into an unprincipled settlement for escape and avoidance, the DOE would have no option but to abandon its current frivolous 3020a charges on many if not most reassigned teachers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-13344497571761395242011-01-17T16:59:11.189-05:002011-01-17T16:59:11.189-05:00Unity Hack:
I had to delete your comments because...Unity Hack:<br /><br />I had to delete your comments because you refuse to follow the rules on personal attacks. Furthermore, unless you were in Anon 4:00 place, you have no right to criticize him/her for taking a deal.<br /><br />I guess you didn't read this post closely enough.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-47296266986863142332011-01-17T16:17:40.413-05:002011-01-17T16:17:40.413-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-15362979494782184222011-01-17T16:00:55.674-05:002011-01-17T16:00:55.674-05:00I recently had to deal with the 3020A process and ...I recently had to deal with the 3020A process and could not agree more with you. I have since day 1 of my principal harassing me filed every thing I could with the union. They even agreed to take my harassment case to arbitration however after 3 years of being harassed my principal filed 3020A charges against me. Of course, I had to settle and pay fines and take courses or risk losing my job. Yes, the PIP+ program is used for the principal to help support their case against you but it is a double edge sword if you refuse to accept being in the program they can hold that against you. My PIP+ person said that I implemented everything that she told me to but somehow something wasn't there. Well, if I am doing everything that you are telling me then aren't you failing to say that something isn't there? Her conclusion was a rather personal opinion and her suggestions and advice although I implemented them were geared towards being a master teacher (many years of experience) without a family and being able to spend day and night planning which her comment was I don't care if you have to stay up all night to plan these are the things that you have to do. My NYSUT lawyer said that the PIP+ is impossible for her to fight against. So I settled but fortunate for me the next person that my former principal targeted was forced to resign. I am one of three teachers that this principal has filed these charges against and all 3 of us are jewish. This was brought to the unions attention and no action is/was taken and according to my settlement I am unable to pursue anything further. Again, double edge sword. So now I sit as an ATR with a scarlet letter, never able to get a permanent job. But I still have a salary with benefits and was more fortunate then my former coworker. The system is flawed and those people that are dealing with it are muted. The only thing that you hear are ill guided individuals that do not know all of the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-44654087256219258372011-01-17T15:01:17.996-05:002011-01-17T15:01:17.996-05:00Anon: 1:52
Can't agree with you more. Unless...Anon: 1:52<br /><br />Can't agree with you more. Unless you have gone through the perverted NYC 3020-a process it is hard to understand what actually goes on that makes it almost impossible to acquit a teacher.<br /><br />The "Unity" people would just like to keep us quiet and clueless and dispense their disinformation on to its unsuspecting members.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-39817635128375461822011-01-17T13:52:06.397-05:002011-01-17T13:52:06.397-05:00Chaz
Nothing you have written here has anything to...Chaz<br />Nothing you have written here has anything to do with your retention of a NYSUT lawyer. One is allowed to suggest NYSUT's legal department hire investigators without getting an outside lawyer just as one is allowed to critique UFT without leaving the union. Apparently, one of your critics does not understand logic. And BTW I had identical concerns with NYSUT's legal staffing and still retained my NYSUT lawyer. And BTW I waited about 5 months for a decision and my arbitrator was a slow and careful fellow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-47228192312755878652011-01-17T13:20:47.800-05:002011-01-17T13:20:47.800-05:00UFT has long made a conscious decision to trade th...UFT has long made a conscious decision to trade the space for the time by giving up on some members and by doing so to better protect the interests of few bosses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-23623765627245387532011-01-17T12:35:37.326-05:002011-01-17T12:35:37.326-05:00Anon 12:12
My 1539 days dealing with the system a...Anon 12:12<br /><br />My 1539 days dealing with the system and talking to various NYSUT lawyers, that's how. Furthermore, my using a NYSUT lawyer is a personal choice and does not affect what the NYC 3020-a process is.<br /><br />If you knew how the NYC 3020-a process worked, you would not be asking me the obvious.<br /><br />Anon 12:14<br /><br />If only "Unity" extended that concept to help their members and not themselves.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-90441299417302833342011-01-17T12:14:08.473-05:002011-01-17T12:14:08.473-05:00What we need in these tough times can be stated in...What we need in these tough times can be stated in one word: UNITYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-37665638416100273762011-01-17T12:12:51.202-05:002011-01-17T12:12:51.202-05:00Chaz:
How do you know this? You had your 3020-a an...Chaz:<br />How do you know this? You had your 3020-a and can speak to your experiences, but how can you talk about the system being geared towards everyone getting a penalty?<br />Why did you use a NYSUT lawyer-since your so critical of the system? With regard to that issue you can provide helpful information to others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-76042883536034357262011-01-16T12:16:11.656-05:002011-01-16T12:16:11.656-05:00Anon 9:09
Every Arbitrator is different. Some Ar...Anon 9:09<br /><br />Every Arbitrator is different. Some Arbitrators give a decision within a month or two. Many average three months, while a few may wait 8-9 months to render a decision, regardless of the case. <br /><br />It beats me why the discrepancy. I guess it is just them. I do know that some of the delay by Arbitrators is the failure by the State in paying them. Hence they make a decision a low priority.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-86762756167685760642011-01-15T21:09:56.984-05:002011-01-15T21:09:56.984-05:00Chaz:
Just wondering why it takes some arbitrator...Chaz:<br /><br />Just wondering why it takes some arbitrators many months to render a decision, and some other much less time to do the same thing? would like to hear your insight?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-73721513762212304392011-01-15T18:33:22.823-05:002011-01-15T18:33:22.823-05:00Betsy Combier for President.Betsy Combier for President.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-19492430245027441302011-01-15T12:04:19.247-05:002011-01-15T12:04:19.247-05:00If you take a settlement, you are pleading guilty ...If you take a settlement, you are pleading guilty and if by chance, you are brought up on 3020-a charges in the future you will be terminated. I have seen that happen to four teachers who were forced to resign when their Arbitrator told them that you plead guilty before and if I find you guilty now I am forced to terminate you.<br /><br />I do agree there is little difference between Bloomberg and Klein. They both are anti-senior teacher and will do whatever is possible to force them to retire or resign.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-72399906133431200332011-01-15T11:38:17.251-05:002011-01-15T11:38:17.251-05:00I agree that there is the increasing percentage of...I agree that there is the increasing percentage of the teachers who eventually end up in hearings probably due to the fact that less and less teachers take the retirement as a way out which is always DoE's ultimate objective and DoE has to step up the pressure.<br /><br />There may have been occasional differences in strategies, but the objective remains same among Bloomberg, or Klein, to push out senior more expensive teachers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-42114290087017668232011-01-15T11:35:38.129-05:002011-01-15T11:35:38.129-05:00And what about the next time teachers are brought ...And what about the next time teachers are brought up on 3020-a charges. You think the arbitrator will still give a fine. Give it a little bit more time and you will see more terminations than fines and it is even starting to happen now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-89996202004780132752011-01-15T11:01:54.526-05:002011-01-15T11:01:54.526-05:00anon 8:07:
I am glad we totally agree. Outsiders ...anon 8:07:<br /><br />I am glad we totally agree. Outsiders are unaware how the NYC 3020-a system works and falsely assume teachers are guilty and point to coerced settlements and Arbitrator decisions to show it.<br /><br />Anon 8:45<br /><br />I must correct you that it was Joel Klein that abused the 3020-a process by giving principals the power to remove teachers and to take them off the school payroll in 60 days. The "rubber room" agreement was done over Joel Klein's objections and is one of the reasons he and Bloomberg parted company.<br /><br />Of curse Michael Bloomberg is still public enemy #1 when it comes to the teaching profession.<br /><br />Anon 9:16<br /><br />You are correct, if the percentages are off. During the backlog elimination time period (September-December 2010) you are probably correct. However, up until the summer it was about 40% of the teachers were offered settlements. Of course, it was much higher if the settlements that required resignation at the end of a school year are included. I don't consider these settlements real and acceptable, unless the teacher had PIP+.Chazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964739497720364749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20674128.post-13910946184028731582011-01-15T09:16:07.895-05:002011-01-15T09:16:07.895-05:00This post sums really well the 3020a process in NY...This post sums really well the 3020a process in NYC, however, that is only the tip of the iceberg. <br /><br />The tip is the 10% or less of the total reassigned teachers who eventually go through the entire process of 3020a, the iceberg is the remaining 90% or more teachers who are coerced and intimidated by DOE and NYSUT !!! to settle with fines and other penalties because they see and hearing the predetermined outcomes of the pending 3020a.<br /><br />Yes, DOE spends $250,000 on each 3020a case, but the real cost is about 1/10 of the amount. Every one who went through trial, 10 other teachers are forced to settle or quit. It is cheap to get rid of a senior teacher for the cost of $25000, and UFT is an implicit facilitator in the whole infamous process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com