The nine year contract between the United Federation of Teachers (UFT) and the City was finalized yesterday and includes a 18% raise by the end of the contract in 2018 (10% for 7 years). However, until James Eterno of the ICEUFT blog actually broke down the annual raises and "retroactive raises" none of us really understood how it works. To further simplify James Eterno's great work here is how and when we will get the raises.
Date................Raise.........2009-10 Raise.....Retroactive Pay
Fall 2014........ 2%*............None.........................None
May 2015.........1%...............2%..........................None
Oct 2015........None............None.........................12.5%
May 2016........1.5%..............2%..........................None
Oct 2016.........None............None..........................None
May 2017........2.5%..............2%..........................None
Oct 2017.........None............None.........................12.5%
May 2018.........3%...............2%...........................None
Oct 2018.............................................................25.0%
Oct 2019.............................................................25.0%
Oct 2010.............................................................25.0%
* The 2013 and 2014 raises will include retroactive pay for those two years as well.
The total compounded raise as of May of 2018 will be 19.5%. Moreover, the "retroactive pay" will be given in a lump sum by the percentages in the table above. Further a bonus check of $1,000 will be given to the members after the new contract is signed.
The bonus check is not part of our salary scale and is probably not pensionable while the "retroactive raises" may or may not be pensionable. To encourage retirements of veteran teachers an incentive is provided. If a member retires by June 30th 2015, the full "retroactive pay" will be paid out at the time of retirement and the pension will reflect the two 4% raises for 2009-10. Moreover, there will be a severance package, not a buyout, for ATRs who wish to leave the profession (probably a year). Finally ex-UFT members who resigned or were terminated between 2009-11 will not receive any of the raises or "retroactive pay" and those that resign in the future or resigned and/or terminated in the last two years will only get the raises up to their resignation/termination date and no "retroactive pay" owed to them for payouts issued after their resignation/termination date, even if they worked in the 2009-10 school years. For future retirees (after June 30, 2015 now changed to June 30th 2014), they will get the 2009-10 raises and "retroactive pay" at the time active members will receive it.
The UFT provided a chart of the timeline for the raises and can be found Here.
Nice chart Chaz. Where did you hear that the bonus and retroactive are not pensionable? We heard just the opposite yesterday. Contact me off list to talk about it.
ReplyDeleteWhat about a buyout? What about time served on the sentence? Most who can, will bail. The system should encourage it. It will be a savings on their legal bills as well as the shitty NYSUT legal costs. Savings on those crooked arbitrators and we shave time off of our serfdom.
ReplyDeleteA win win for everyone.
The eight percent isn't pensionable unless you retire this June? Is that true? So there is only one percent pension increase for the last five year? That is unbelievable if true. Please correct me if I am wrong
ReplyDeletewhat about per session retro and raises?
ReplyDeleteWhat about resignation and/or buyout? Retro? Lump sum?
ReplyDeleteJames:
ReplyDeleteMy understanding is that bonuses are not pensionable as for the lump sum "retroactive raises" I have heard different opinions on that.
Anon 5:44 There is no buyout but for ATRs there will be a severance package offered.
Anon 6:10
That's not what I said. The 8% will be included in your salary and pension in drips and drabs if you choose to retire after June 30th 2015.
Anon 6:34
Good question and I don't know.
How can we get consistent and accurate information for those of us who would like to retire within the next two years....will there be an info workshop to explain the incentive and the contract in general...
ReplyDeleteChaz thank you for the post on this travesty. The membership needs to wake up and see the potential harm this contract could be to them. We need to make a statement and vote NO to this garbage being shoved down our throats.
ReplyDeleteThose who be forced to retire are veteran teachers not able to fulfill entire contract, not wanting to lose out on 8%retro.I and many will be forced to retire before raises in the 21st and 23rd payroll jump.we need an added incentive to vote yes ie. Added service years,no early retirement penalty.
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know, from a labor attorney (not ours, Francesco ForEducation Portelos), a collective bargaining agreement takes precedence over any federal or state law, meaning if the CBA is ratified, then THAT becomes the determining document, and not the state or federal labor law. I found this out when a friend of mine told me that she couldn't get FMLA leave for having a baby and that she only had 6wk disability. Turned out her CBA from her school district (Clarkstown) opted out of FMLA, so no teachers there were entitled to it. Sucks. If this pig is ratified, we are all screwed.
ReplyDeleteWe didn't "get our money" I teach math and my high school students could explain to you how compounding money works.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you don't realize that this is not a retro raise - In fact it is more of a future raise since the last 5 years the teachers should be receiving that 4% in 09-10 and another 4% in 10-11 and then it would stay flat for the last 3 years but salaries would still be over 8% higher currently. So if you make $100,000 in 09-10 you should retroactively make 104,000 for 09-10. Then in 10-11 you should make 104,000 + another 4% of that so it would be 108,160. Then for 11-12 and 12-13 with a 0% raise you would make the same 108,160 etc. Now for May 2013 your 1% raise would take you to 109,241.60 instead of the measly 101,000 that the UFT is proposing (that is with the 1% raise not including the signing bonus)
I hope you realize all the future raises of 1%,1%,1%,2.5%,3% should be calculated off of that 108,160 number and not off of the 100,000 number like the UFT is proposing.
The union just mailed out a breakdown of the time line with bubbles for each payment and raise. I don't see anywhere where we are getting retro for the future raises that we will get for the 8%, but should have received earlier. It appears they're trying to slickly avoid paying a large portion of what we should be getting back. Unless they just forgot to clearly show it. Many people are clueless as to what's going on so they can't even ask these questions. Someone needs to work out every penny we will get to 2020 under the proposal and through what we should really get.
ReplyDeletewe should be filing a class action lawsuit. We aren't represented by OUR union. If there is a new 3020a being established, it should apply to all union members not just the ATR's. You can't have a set of rules for one group and an old set of rules for the other.
ReplyDeleteLet's create a movement to VOTE NO and take it to arbitration; at least that way our medical benefits are safe!
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Anon 8:01
ReplyDeleteI certainly agree with you and we are being shortchanged. In fact, some teachers who resign or get terminated will not even see the deferred raises or lump sum money.
So if I quit by choice, I will lose the past raises I ALREADY WORKED FOR? And if I take the ATR buyout?
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ReplyDeleteCorrect. If you resign before you are 55 and not retire, you will not get any raise or lump some retroactive pay going forward.
Anon 8:01
You're correct and I agree with you. Since the NYC inflation rate is 2.2% and expected to inch up over the next couple of years. The City is paying us with cheaper money and that assumes you can last to retirement.
Heard the buyout is 10 months salary. Another joke!!!!
ReplyDeleteDo you realize how many will never see any of this due to resignation, ATR termination, another type of termination?
ReplyDelete10 months salary plus the full retro? I mean, we already did the work for that retro pay.
ReplyDeleteAccording to this chart, we will receive only 25% of the retro pay during the life of this contract. 75% of the retro will be paid out after this contract expires. Also, the Oct 2015 is an interesting date for the first retro pay. This is around when the first of "ineffective" teachers can be terminated under our new evaluation system. Interesting timing.
ReplyDeleteUFT FARINA AND DEBLASIO DONT LOOK SO GOOD NOW DO THEY ?....How much better off are we since Bloomberg left?? can someone tell me? I am confused????????????
ReplyDeleteI am so committed to get out of debt and not have to worry about where I will be working in a few years..It has gotten that bad
Thanks chaz for the clear picture on the raises. Interesting that they skipped October 2016 for the retroactive pay. I wonder why?
ReplyDeleteAs for the retro, we already worked for and earned that money. By receiving so late, we are giving the city a ten year, interest free loan.
ReplyDeleteWe should get it now, not years hence when we risk being told by the next Mayor that the city is broke.
thats when the first round of ineffective ratings terminations come due
ReplyDeleteI think it would be foolish not to vote Yes for this contract. Many municipal workers pay 18% of their salary into pension (if they even have one) and health insurance. I look at NJ and feel very grateful.
ReplyDeleteSo just a simple question (I hope). Is it true that May 2018 we will see the full raise in action. So May 2018, top pay is at or around 118K?
ReplyDeleteAnon 2:17
ReplyDeleteIt will be 119.5k since the 18% is compounded and effectively 19.5%
We're supposed to get retro pay for the 1% for 2013 and and the 1% for 2014 respectively. According to the email sent by Mulgrew this morning, it's supposed to be paid out this year. Please do not tell me that the
ReplyDelete$1000 bonus money is inclusive of those 1% and 1% payouts. From the language I saw on that flow chart he sent us via email, it would appear that in addition to a $1000 one time bonus payment, there would be immediate payment of the 1 percent from '13 and '14 respectively. Does anybody see what I saw on this email, and understand what I'm talking about?
Anon 2:56
ReplyDeleteYou're correct and if you saw my chart I state that.
when can we expect an updated pay scale chart from the DOE ??
ReplyDeleteIt would be foolish to vote yes for this contract. It barely covers inflation. The retro is dragged out to point of almost being meaningless. There's also no interest on the money that was withheld from us. Add to that the evasiveness of health care savings for the city (not for us); opening this door is a HUGE mistake. Also what happens when all schools become pseudo charters? We'll all be working like slaves and treated like them as well. But for me the real kicker is ATR expedited termination. All you new hires, as you start to make real money will become ATRs. (Most of you won't reach that stage because you'll get physically or mentally sick and quit, or will be terminated.) Once an ATR and making too much money, you'll be easily terminated. Try to see the big picture- more erosion of rights, less job security, more expenses all traded for lunch money. The union could have, should have focused on the total lack of discipline in the schools and our abysmal working conditions.
ReplyDeleteSorry Chaz, if you can clear something up it will be greatly appreciated. By thexway, your blog is more informative that the UFT site and their latest emails. That said, the 4% and 4% initial numbers - are those actual raises or just a retro figure? I don't really see where those 2 large numbers (4 and 4) come into play as a raise. Then again, to get to 18%, those 2 larger numbers (4 and 4) should play a part right? It's just really not clear about the 4%, 4% as a raise. One would think we are getting this as a raise but I guess we are not? I'm so confused.
ReplyDeleteEveryone needs to go over to the Facebook page "vote no to the UFT contract" and like it. Tell all your friends to like it as well. Send a message loud and clear. We don't want this contract send it back!
ReplyDeleteIf someone retires this fall - would their pensionable number include the increases up through 2014? I'm not talking about getting retro - but the salary that is used to compute pensions. Does anyone know the answer to this? Thank you .
ReplyDeleteAnon 7:44
ReplyDeleteMy understanding if you retire this year or next, you will get the 4 and 4 as part of your pension immediately The retroactive lump sum will also be given to you as well.
Anon 7:10
The 4 and 4 will be given to us in drips and drabs, look at my table it breaks down what you will get and when.
But if you resign out of frustration no?
ReplyDeletetesIt does not appear that there is a Facebook page related to voting no on the contract.
ReplyDeleteThere is a MORE sponsored page
http://www.uftcontract.com/
to 7:44 - When you retire you get all the back money that is due to you up to the day you retire. When I retired there was no contract. A year later there was a contract and I received a printout and a check for the back money. My pension was also adjusted.
ReplyDeleteIf I were still teaching I would vote no for this contract.
Another principal goes bye-bye
ReplyDeletehttp://nypost.com/2014/05/04/queens-principal-probed-over-sex-in-school-during-class-hours/
there is a facebook page here is the link https://www.facebook.com/Flushtheuftdeal
ReplyDeleteOne thing is not clear to me especially after seeing the UFT chart.
ReplyDeleteThe retro pay paid out over 5 payments starting October 2015 through October 2020 says retro pay for 2009-2011.
What about 2012 through May 2018 when we are finally made whole for the 8% - where is the retro for that? Meaning - for all of 2013, 2014 there is nothing for the 8%. Then in 2015 we will still be 6% short! Also how will they calculate 12.5% twice & then $25% 3 times on a moving target. They are paying some retro in 2015 but we are not even whole for the 8% at that time
Anon 8:23
ReplyDeleteResigning will eliminate any retroactive raises and lump sum payouts after your resignation date.
Anon 10:54
You're probably right but until we see the details, its hard to know.
Any thoughts on the missed opportunity to contribute to TDA. This is money that could have been invested and once you are retired, no longer able to contribute. I wonder if they would consider letting people put the retro into their TDA upon retirement, I, for one, would love that opportunity.
ReplyDeleteRetro pay should be pensionable since it is payment already worked. Simple. If it is not then someone is cheating. Our past Mayor was a cheat. He stuffed his pocket and left. Sad but true.
ReplyDeleteCan't wait to vote on this contract. No give backs, reduction of paperwork, ATR placement, no closing schools, raises, and full retro. Can't beat that!
ReplyDeleteAre administrators entitled to monies if they left teaching during the time of the expired contract?
ReplyDeleteI retired on July 1st 2012 and collecting the pension since. I'm told that $35,000 is coming to me based on retro for 3 years (28 years teaching) and pension retro. My pension will be readjusted too. BTW, I maxed out with my CAR 200/100 days. I am still awaiting the 3rd and final check. Will that too be adjusted? Now for my calculations
ReplyDelete3 years.... 2009-2010 - 4%
- $4000
2010-2011 - 4% more - $8160
2011-2012 $8160
total retro: $20,320
Pension Retro - 3yrs (28yrs teaching-56%)
$2240 + $4569 + $4569 = $11378
Totals = $31698 (excludes any interest due from 2009-2012)
CAR = based on Approx $535/day
total 100x35=$3500 (approx)
Grand Totals $20320
$11378
$ 3500
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$35198 (excl. Int)
Does this sopund feasible..comments welcome
Retiree 2011
ReplyDeleteAl, I think your thinking is faulty. First year retro right. Second tear would be 4% 0f 104,000. It's not 8%. So all the other #'s are too high. I hope you are right & I am wrong. At any rate....for me it is $$$ I didn't expect.