In today's New York Post, the paper's Editorial Board made it seem that all ATRs are "bad" or unwanted teachers. If you were unaware of how the DOE operates, the reader would think that the ATR pool consists of poorly performing teachers and not that principals don't or won't hire ATRs because of their salary, institutional memory, and seniority. Yet, the same Editorial Board supported the hiring of unqualified teachers at SUNY's charter schools and hoped it expands to the public schools.
How can you support the hiring of untrained and unqualified people to teach students on one hand and then be against the hiring of veteran teachers who are properly certified and experienced? The answer is simple, the New York Post Editorial Board is a bunch of hypocrites! Obviously, ideology trumps common sense. What parent would want their child to be a guinea pig by having a "newbie", with no education training and experience with children, instructing them? Apparently, the New York Post Editorial Board does since they support privatizing the public schools. .
The New York Post Editorial Board does not care about students, they simply follow the education deformer philosophy that teaching is a temporary and transitional job, without a pension and other benefits, until a real professional occupation is found. Much like the Teach For America model. Remember, its really not about the children its about the ideology and that's why they are hypocrites.
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Mr. Mulgrew needs to come forward to address The New York Post and request an apology from them. The Post has made no mention of salary, seniority and institutional memory. Educators at all levels should not be behaving in this manner and work together in a supportive environment for the students. Parents and students need to do their part as well.
Just read the NY Post article. There is an agenda to privatize education which the Post is highly in favor of. DOE and UFT need to have a stronger voice in the media to try to gain more public support for NYC schools, students, teachers, and staff.
Each time DOE tries to place the ATRS the media with misinformation tries to bring public pressure on DOE to stop the placements.
How can we get the word out? "A quality public education for all NYC students!"
The "Editorial Board" is plural, and you should say "are idiots"
Anon ^:30
Thanks for the correction. However, I still believe hypocrites fit better.
But is the NY Post really considered a newspaper?
loved randy j asshers comment referring to atrs. "none of us got into this profession to become atrs". really randy, the atr pool seems to have created a great promotion for you. wonder if you ever talked to an atr. what idiots the doe is made up of.
Mr. Asher mentioned he had hired ATRs while he was a principal. Listen to the webinar 9:27AM.
@4:37, is there a link for the webinar? I'm not an ATR but I'd like to listen to it if it's available to the general public.
Why does Betsy Combier continually refer to ATRs as substitute teachers? We are no more substitute teachers than she is a lawyer.
1. We are hearing that ATRs will be forced into positions even in different boroughs. Any truth to that?
2. ATRs with an open 3020a will not be forced into a position until their 3020a is heard and decided? Any truth to that?
3. Will principals get a anything towards budget (percentae reduction?
@4:37 like I said what idiots the doe is made of and there you are to prove my point!
Only ATRs received the information I believe. If someone knows any different, please inform.
Fake News
1. All ATRs will be placed in one school for the year. Has anyone heard otherwise?
2. ATRs will be placed in any city vacancy if it is a high school teacher which means could be placed in other boroughs. Anyone hear different? Only district teachers will not be placed in other boroughs.
@10:20PM - The insult was not called for. Simply informed what the webinar stated. Did not provide my personal opinion as to if I believed what was said in the webinar. I am neither naive nor an idiot. Don't get twisted.
All ATR pool status staff will be placed within their borough. There are no longer district restrictions.
@4:34 I would bet you are wrong. There are no district restrictions and ATRs will be placed by borough if they are in a district. However, if they are high school then they already are borough but I am guessing that now they will be placed in different boroughs.
Just a guess.
11:23,
You're a moron, not just a guess about that.
most of us are morons, we wouldn't be nyshitty school babysitters. we would be at system that treats us with respect and gives us hope, not just with words but with actions!!
No, most of us are not morons. Only 11:23 is.
No,listen to the webinar. First, we will be placed in district, when applicable (not likely) then borough. My question is this, if schools are operating at a budget deficit, where are they coming up with the money to pay us ATRS?
Anon 6:40
Good question about the school budget.
@640 the money starts with the taxpayer idiot. but thanks for making my point you make the perfect nyc teacher!
Read 4:34PM again. Made the same point as you.
Stop it with the 'idiot' comment. Let people express themselves. Stop putting people down.
If you are placed into a provisional one-year assignment, then obviously you are not a substitute. If you go into a classroom with the lesson plan of an absent teacher and are told to teach from that class, you are being treated as a substitute teacher, a tenured substitute. Please, Mr. or Ms. anonymous, what title do you want to be given to an employee being a body in the classroom while the permanent teacher is away/leave/sick? I would be glad to call these employees something else, but I don't see it being different than a substitute's job. Please clarify what title these ATRs should have? "permanent replacements", "tenured absent teacher reservist". Let's be creative. I'm game.
Hi Betsy,
I do agree with commentor. Being referred to as a "Sub" ,even if our duties oft times do mirror those of a sub does not make us subs. I have two masters and 20 plus years of teaching experience. To be introduced to classes of kids as a sub and then be told by kids 'why should we listen to you, you're not a real teacher?' , can be infuriating. I usually explain what an ATR is and let them know my qualifications. Many of those kids I was covering all last semester in different grade levels and subjects became close to me, and came to me for help with a variety of subjects. I was there everyday, unlike any particular sub that may or may not be seen in that school for weeks at a time. I covered 5 different classes a day, everyday for 5 months in one school. I am not a sub. No need to be creative, I'm a tenured teacher with a permanent license, that jumped through every hoop presented to me by NY State and the NYCDOE. I've earned my right to be called a teacher, as has every ATR. Cheers.
Bronx ATR:
Totally agree with you. Being referred to as a "Sub" is completely wrong. That should not happen.
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