The summer of 2018 is a time when teachers, dissatisfied with their existing school, can seek to transfer to another school. However, since the implementation of school based Fair Student Funding (fsf) only teachers with less than five years of experience, especially if they are not tenured, are able to be hired since the more experienced teachers are too much of a hit on the school budget,
Ask any teacher who has ten or more years of experience if they are even offered an interview? The answer is probably no. The Open Market Transfer System (OMTS) is simply a sick joke when it comes to experienced teachers. While there are always some exceptions, like hiring a bilingual Special Education teacher for example. For the vast majority of experienced teachers it's a futile process and despite a new Chancellor, nothing has changed since the OMTS started in 2006.
Interestingly, the DOE and the UFT refuse to publish the demographic breakdown of theteachers hired through the OMTS and for good reason as the OTMS statistics would most certainly show a pattern of discrimination against veteran teachers.
The bottom line is that the OMTS is just a sick joke, You can read my previous artices on the Open Market Transfer System Here, Here, Here, and Here.
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It's possible that this information can be requested through the discovery process by anyone going through a federal age discrimination lawsuit against the DOE. It can help to strengthen their case.
And what about the NY Post doing a story on this and getting the information by FOILing?
The UFT refuses because it shows a pattern of discrimination?! Who does the UFT work for? They sit on their hands while we are treated like crap by everyone and expect us to give them $1500 a year? The UFT better release those numbers if it wants to show any kind of relevance and wants money from ATRs and veteran teachers.
I was just excessed due to the rehiring process at my renewal school. I have 20+ years. I applied to several schools on open market and haven't gotten one interview. It's true what chaz says. Everyone at my school who wanted a new position and got a job through open market had fewer than 10 years under their belt. It's not what you know, it's the less you know and the least they can pay you.
Am not a teacher, but wanted to share that there was a science teacher this year with few years in that exhibited a superiority complex towards ATRS. As a humble servant and one that understands the complexities of the ATR situation as a multilevel phenomenon, it did not phase me. Well, by the end of the year this teacher was asking others in the staff if anyone knew of a science position because 'her friend' was being excessed and her friend is a kickass science teacher and is really good. This brought a smile to my face because excessing has nothing to do with ability. Perhaps this teacher with not so many years in will have empathy for those in the ATR status now that her friend is entering the pool. People can be so naive as to the complexity of the ATR status situation. Sometimes DOE staff can be very cruel and blame the victim. Let her friend tell her the horror stories she will undoubtedly experience as an ATR. Everyone is a step away from becoming an ATR. Don't ever think your sh-t don't stink as the saying goes.
Perfect MOTP Scores/Plentiful Professional References/Highly Effective MOSL Ratings/ above average percentages on Student Surveys still means Zero for false DOE Open Market Transfer System.
I wonder if the UFT position will change now that joining the union is a choice!
The UFT closed their eyes to these issues because more people hired means more dues.
I am sure newbies will not want to join the UFT if they have to pay dues!
The Open Market is a sham!
Can hiring and excessing rules be part of the contract talks?
Bring back the seniority transfer! End unfair student funding now!!!
@4:54 I wish i could be an atr again.
@9:31 I think you are missing the point of a union. Union looks out for all members. Even though I personally disagree with age discrimination and the DOE probably hires only younger teachers on open market - why the hell would the union care or get involved in who gets hired on the open market? UFT only cares that teachers are hired. Take your 1500 and see where it gets you.
@4:29 So true. I feel for you. Keep your head up but in all honesty why would you want to stay at a renewal school and be blamed for its failure? Renewals schools suck. They can't succeed. Only Horrorwitz succeeds.
@4:54 I love when these idiot teachers look down on ATRs and then become an ATR. Anyone who looks down at ATRs is ignorant and slow. They have no clue.
@7:46 What subject are you? At last week's MAC meeting (Manhattan ATR Chapter) a Bronx History ATR teacher came to the meeting and wanted to sell his ATR status for 25k for one year. He is willing to meet with your principal and switch with you. He will teach your classes if History only - for one year. You pay him 25K which he'll give 5k to your principal to agree.
I have actually been hired 3 times through the open market , once at 5 years, then at 7, and now at 12 this year. I teach music though and am in constant fear of excess. It's a vicious cycle. Lets make the kids want to come to school , lets hire a music or an art teacher, then when your class doesn't miraculously turn all the students into scholars that love school you are suddenly to expensive again and excessed. I work with a national organization that sponsors me with instruments and celebrity guests though so I can get gigs. Without that though I would have been an ATR for the last 7 years. And there are schools that will hire you from the open market high salary and all but with minimal research you soon find out working in those hell holes is probably more dangerous than being an ATR. Its all just a very sad system.
7:46 Just eat a bowl of steaming hot shit and you’ll get the same effect.
@shady you make some valid points but because you have shown yourself to be a rambling idiot before no one can take anything you write seriously. my advise go back to stupid its much more fun reading how you try to mask the pain and reality of your profession!
The first time I got excessed, I aggressively perused the Open Market system. That was me after year 7.
The second time I got excessed, I looked through it a bit, went on some interviews, but was less enthused. That was after year 8.
By year 9, I barely checked through it. To be honest, I got to a point where I said "screw it!" And to be fair, this has worked out much better. It's not a perfect system and it still sucks. But it's better than being in a school with admin who doesn't give a crap about you or the kids. Heck, I spent most of this past year at Stuy which is a teacher's wet dream.
Third year as an atr. Nobody wants to hire me so be it. No lesson plans,
no parents to call,no tests to grade, no meetings to attend (except professional development)
With that said everything is ok with me.
Wait till you get thrown down the stairs because you don’t have an elevator key or punched in the back of the head walking down the hall. Both happened to me last year. Line of duty denied. Sill refused to help.
@6:45 thank you for the compliment... no disrespect to you but you sound like my ass when I tried having my ass once write. That is a compliment to you.
Now, for some real news. One of the ATRs biggest supporters over the years has been the NY Daily News. They have written many anti-union articles and always supported the ATRs in never going back to the classroom. Today was a sad day for the NY Daily News. Half of their staff was laid off. Go figure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ny-daily-news-slashes-half-newsroom-staff-195710451.html
People we must be careful what we post on here. My idiot principal called me earlier tonight to threaten me and let me know that she knows it is me writing on here. She said my comments about my son, DeShawn, gave it away. Now, she is going to give me a new kind of letter called "a cease and desist letter". Has anyone ever heard of this? I have received many file letters but never a "cease and desist" letter. She claims it is new and to speak to my union attorney asap. This dumb stupid bitch has no clue that ass long ass it is not a file letter then it can't be placed in my file. Is she new or an ass?
Your first mistake was to answer the phone. You are posting anonymously so there is no proof. Just tell her you have no idea what she's talking about. The burden of proof is on her. Next time don't answer your phone.
@8:10
Amen to that brutha.
Shady, make a deal with your principal. Tell her you will either cease or Desist but you are unable, at this time, to do both
@shady I think you just like having a pencil or a pen up shady. you and the nycdoe are perfect for each other. please stay away from the suburbs, then again 99.9% of those schools wouldn't hire you either... peace.
@ 3:41 Come on? Are you this stupid or silly? Do you not know how desperate the suburbs are to have NY City teachers teach there? Don't you realize 60 percent of suburb teachers taught and got their excellent experience from NY City? Don't you realize after 7 or 8 years in NY City it would not be beneficial for us to transfer to the suburbs? Don't you realize teaching in the suburbs is much easier than teaching in NY City? The only negative to teaching in the suburbs is dealing with idiot parents like you who do not know their ass from their elbow. Here you are on here, probably teaching in NY and talking about the suburbs. They probably rejected you because you do seem slow. Other than posting "You guys can't teach in the suburbs" you bring nothing to this site but you can spell peace correctly.
@6:45am...no need to be so rude to Shady.
They are the ATRs of journalists.
At this point, I like the idea of being an ATR, just as long as I can be tenured.
I was hired through OMT two years ago after coming back to the DOE after 16 years and taking over for a new teacher who left mid-year. I had 4 years experience when I applied to 21 different schools through OMT. My friend advised me that I should not only apply through the system, but should mail or hand deliver my resumes. In July, I chose 6 schools and visited to follow up on the positions listed on OMT. What I discovered was eye-opening. Some schools filled the position, but never bothered to go back in and mark it as filled. Other schools were not able to fill a listed position due to a smaller than anticipated budget, but again, never bothered to take the listing down. Of the 6 schools that I visited, only two called me in for interviews. I was offered a position at one and cancelled the second interview with the other school. My take away on OMT is that it is just an extra step in what is basically a typical job search. You still need to do all the legwork as with a traditional job hunt, except your benefits transfer over. And the job search is much more competitive. Now I am looking to transfer again and teachers are all creating educator web pages now, so schools can screen us prior to them asking us to interview. My educator web page is what landed me two interviews this past month. I do think there has got to be some bias toward candidates with more years in the system. That said, my colleague who just transferred from a closing school, tenured with 13 years experience, was able to land a job for this fall at his choice school because of his web page and his portfolio. Keep trying, but switch up the job search if you are not getting the results you want.
It’s not about experience. They don’t want to pay the salary.
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