Starting January 2019 the maximum annual limit will increase by $500, from $18,500 to $19,000. If the educator is 50 years of age or older, the TDA allows a "catch up" contribution of $6,000, which is unchanged from 2018. Therefore, the total maximum limit for educators 50 years of age or older is $25,000.
The more you contribute to the TDA, the less you pay in taxes that year since your TDA contribution is tax deferred.. Moreover, the TDA is exempt from State and City taxes in New York State.
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Still waiting for the Roth version!
I am under 50, but max out the 457 from the NYC Deferred Compensation plan too. I’m avoiding city and state taxes on the TDA. The 457 offers a Roth version I take advantage of sometimes. That’s a total of $38,000 put away. Then put another $6,000 in a Roth IRA. The only thing that makes this job worth doing is watching my money grow and putting more away.
And if I don’t make it to the pension, I’ll be just fine. If I do make it, then I’ve created generational wealth that will far outlast me...or my kids will blow my life’s work. Oh well, money buys options.
If I can't calculate the percentage, is there a "maximum" button I can click?
To 1:28 if you put it in the city 457 20,000 annually. You withdraw 20,000 when you were retired
or 59 1/2 you don’t pay city or state tax also. There is a 20,000 or year limit.
Impressive on ability to max out on both TDA and NYC Def. Comp. How do you manage? I am maxing out on TDA, and only 16% on Def. comp. When daughter finishes college hope to max on both.
Thanks for the info. 12:59.
The way I afford to max it out is I am frugal. An ancient car, a small house in not the best area, never order lunch, etc. and it’s all worth it! With the amount currently in my TDA alone(I have it in Fixed since everything else I have is in the market) I generate $3000 a month, every month, no matter what, forever! It’s like I’m making an extra $36,000 a year. And that 36k, plus 19k I put in next year, will then generate $3700 or $300 every month in perpetuity the following year and so on.
I see teachers with their fancy cars, Starbucks daily and European vacations, that’s fine for them. For me, being financially secure gives me great joy and peace. Max out that TDA!
My husband’s retirement date is Feb. 1 2019, with a full 30 years of service. Could he put his entire paychecks from January 2019 into the TDA before he retires? The 457 deferred looks interesting but we didn’t even know about that one. Is it too late to do anything with that? Thank you.
GJ:
Yes but let the TRS know.
can you withdrawal $20,000 a year and not pay state and city tax from both the 457b and the tda? Thus getting $40,000 a year with no state and city tax?
4:25 PM. yes you can provided you take no other withdrawals from IRA, annuity or other tax advantaged source that would put you over the 20000 limit.
@9:30 PM
why cant you have both a maxed out TDA, as well as european vacations?
life is meant to be lived.
1:28 AM (& 9:03 PM): Can you explain the math behind $3000/month? Are you projecting out until your earliest penalty-free withdrawal? You have that now or you WILL have that? At 7%, $3000/month would require an accumulation of over $500k, which would take over 15 years to achieve. Maybe you HAVE been putting it away for that long, in which case you deserve a major pat on the back. And how does every new $19k add another $300/month? At earliest withdrawal date? At RMD date? Thanks!
I do the same as you. Max out everything including my IRA with Vanguard and trying to FIRE.
So $40,000 a year from both the 457 and 403b? What happens when we start collecting our pension, social security, and IRA?
Just as you work hard on putting money into TDA, 457, and
any other retirement accounts, You must have an exit strategy.
Or you will give it back in taxes.
I would like CHAZ to do a story on how to take your money out of these
retirement accounts and give different scenarios. Thank you CHAZ in advance.
To 11:50
Always check with your accountant .
TDA no city or state tax when withdrawn.
457 the first 20,000 are tax free city and state ,
After that then you pay city and state tax.
If you have $500,000 in your TDA when you retire you can basically get $3000 a month which is your interest at 7%. Not a bad extra check to get each month but you do have to pay taxes on that. I don’t really agree with the guy that lives in a small house in a bad neighborhood and never goes on vacation. You can still live a great life with a lot of perks and still contribute to the TDA
7:27
You only pay federal tax.
TRS would hold 20% for State Tax. When you file your
taxes you may get some money back or pay extra federal tax.
$30,000
TRS will hold 20% for federal tax. No city and state taxes.
In the 457 you redraw 30,000 you pay federal tax on 30,000
and 10,000 city and state taxes.
why dont more people just take out the interest at retirement and have another check each month in addition to the pension?
Kenny:
I intend to do just that.
chaz- what is the negative side of doing that? If i have 500K when im done is it as easy getting a check each month for 3 grand? How much of that would I lose to taxes? 20%?
There is no negative side. The TDA is considered a pension and exempt from State and City taxes.
So using the 500K as a number and 7 % interest how much taxes would a person have to pay each year if they just wanted to have a check each month on the interest
Kenny
Assuming you live in New York State and you pay 20% federal tax. Here is my calculation.
500,000 x 0.07 = $35,000 x 0.20 = a tax of $7,000
So you clear 28k for the year to use ? Then your principal from your TDA no longer grows if you take out the interest ?
Chaz can you explain this please
So we can take both $20,000 from the tda AND
$20,000 from the 457b a year and only owe federal tax? essentially taking out
$40,000 combined and pay not state tax?
This is because the tda and 457b are considered pensions? Is this correct?
10:59
If you take the interest, the principal stays the same.
12:37
The TDA and the 457b are not the same. The TDA is considered a pension while the 457b is a savings vehicle.
This is awesome! So in any given year, I can withdraw $20k from the 457, any amount from the TDA, and get my pension state and city tax free. The only problem is it'll increase my federal tax rate. What if I withdraw from my traditional IRA at Vanguard? Will that also be tax free?
I am confused as I just opened a 457 with the City Def Comp. I thought the 457 was a super ROTH vehicle that the City offered so if you opted for the 457 Roth as opposed to contributing pretax dollars which is an option, that all money taken during retirement would be completely tax free without limitation no matter the amount like a Vanguard Roth account?
6:40 - if you select roth, it will be tax free since you're paying the taxes now. The comments above are about a traditional 457.
3:57 - Thank you I really appreciate it!
Just to clarify, So as educators we get Pension based on years of service and 3 consecutive highest earning years, TDA with minimum @ 7% fixed, Def Comp 457 Roth and 401k Roth that we can contribute both 20K a year plus we can get outside Roth account @ $6K a year? Just received Def Comp paper work and it talk about being able to also create retirement account for spouse as another saving vehicle, is this all possible?
Thank you!
Chaz in the article could you discuss the situational difference if you are living in another states like Florida compared to NY how the exit strategy works? Also let’s say you accumulate tremendous amount of money more than you might need in retirement and you are getting Pension, TDA, Def Comp 457 Roth, personal Roth/IRA,etc which do you take first if you intended to pass on money to children to lessen their tax burden so they can get a head start? Thanks!
Chaz, I'm retiring this year (2020) at the end of the school year and changed my contribution rate to reflect this but I wont hit the maximum allowed contribution to the TDA unless the four summer paychecks we receive for the work done the prior summer (i) are included in the TDA contribution and (ii) are included at the new rate I elected for this year. Any idea on (i) and (ii)?
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