Friday, June 14, 2019

Charter Schools Drain Resources From Traditional Public Schools




























Charter advocates are trying to pressure the New York State legislature to expand the charter school cap in New York City and has the support of the Governor.  However, charter friendly Chalkbeat has an article on whether charter schools drain resources from traditional public schools and the answer is yes!.

The article looked at various studies and concluded that charter school expansion added to the financial stress of traditional public schools.  Moreover, an analysis of the Los Angeles and San Diego school districts found similar results.

Charter schools drain students and resources from traditional public schools and try to claim that they alleviate overcrowding  in school districts that see a population influx of students.   That might be true to some degree in Florida and Arizona but overall it causes financial stress for the school district.  These school districts must either raise taxes, increase class sizes, or reduce staff, usually a combination of all three.

The bottom line is that charter schools are a negative factor when it comes to funding traditional public schools in a school district as every student who leaves the traditional public school takes the funding with the student to the charter school.

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

God forbid parents have a choice where they send their kids. Especially black parents, right?

Anonymous said...

I am not defending charters by any means. However much of the funding being allocated to the public schools never makes it way directly or indirectly into the classroom to benefit the teachers or the students and instead goes to the layers upon layers of DOE bureaucrats, consultants, DOE legal, etc.

Chaz said...

Like religious schools, charter schools should not be supported by the taxpayer and that is their choice.

Anonymous said...

Chaz, I would never call you low IQ, but religious schools are private, charter schools are public. Maybe that's too complicated for you to understand.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 11:58. The NYC DOE wastes billions of dollars every year and is a dismal failure.

I think that charter schools are just as corrupt and immoral as traditional public schools.

Are there any public schools in NYC that focus on education, care about children and tell the truth?

Anonymous said...

I have been an big supporter of Chaz at least since 2015 which is when I discontinued. I have been almost religiously reading his numerous current and archived posts since then, and this may be the one area that him and I have some disagreement. First, I am glad that charters exist simply for the fact that there would be nowhere else for exiles like me and other DOE refugees to go. I most likley stayed in the public schools, but now I have no choice. Secondly, the number of charter are very small as compared to the number of DOE school proportionally speaking. Third, I understand the argument that charters might be sucking up precious resources from the taxpayers..but then these same people lose sight of the fact that only a small percentage of funding gets allocated to each individal school. The DOE in the way they do things throw money up in the air and whatever sticks to the ceiling goes to the teachers and the kids. You have talked about this point over and over again Chaz. One things that fuels the growth of charters is growth of applicant who apply to them. Many of which are discontinued teachers which definitely a source to the problem.

Anonymous said...

@11:01 and that's the biggest problem we have! the race card always has to be played. the sins of the past will never go away and keep the waters stagnant for centuries to come!

Anonymous said...

Not for nothing, it was the competent white teachers and administrators who held the system down. It seems that when they DOE comes after a teacher 9 out of 10 times it's a white teacher. However, from my personal experiences it was often the black teachers who were lazy , inept, came back from lunch late, showed up to work late, etcThe double standard which at one rime was subtle in nature, is now visible for all to see. White teachers do not apply. White teachers black students are screwed up because of your race. Carranza has instituted a policy where racial division is the priority whereas I think he forgot the main purpose was to educate young people.

Anonymous said...

@9:13 Not for nothing, but you clearly think black people are inferior. You'll deny it and try to claim victimhood yourself but when you specifically call out black teachers as lazy and incompetent I don't see how else you can frame it. I'm sure you'll pull out the tired, "this is my experience" but you clearly have a confirmation bias. I, and people like me do not have a problem with white people, we have a problem with racists like yourself who pretend to be neutral or victims but clearly think white people are superior.

Anonymous said...

Charter schools are a sad part of our society...these schools are specifically designed to destroy the teacher unions across america with these cheap schools, with cheap teachers very little if any benefits and cheap budgets...in charter schools the only ones making money are the top level people just like corporate america i.e. moskowitz salary 600k teachers at success schools earning roughly 50000 yearly if they are lucky and its generally for one year cya later gater...

Anonymous said...

The NY Post is on Carranzas ass..you do not want the ny post on your butt every day looking for dirt.....crazy stories emerging

Batman said...

Chaz
Do an article on implicit bias training next year for teaching staff

Thanx

B

Anonymous said...

7 57
Stop the bull crap we are all brothers here at the uft and we need to stay strong...we all know who the smart people are and the not so smart people and we also know that some of the so called smart people are not so smart and some of the not so smart people are actually very smart.

So what I am trying to say is stop using the word racist because only losers now are using the word racism cause they lack information and know nothing other but to scream r a c i s m cause they are dumb, too lazy to get the correct information and are paranoid about their heritage.

Anonymous said...

My union rep at my school said something about ATRs being placed. Does anybody have any information on this?

Anonymous said...

They have allowed the inmates to run the asylum. What comes next will be utter chaos.

Anonymous said...

It is a crime to think that you can train someone for a few weeks then send them off to be a teacher. The students, the schools, the public and the profession are all being cheated.

It takes years to become, at least, a decent teacher and a decade or so to become a "good" teacher. I know of a charter school in which a teacher with two years experience is considered a "seasoned" teacher.

I do not see this situation improving any time soon.

Anonymous said...

@2:30 I agree that the term racist is thrown around too often but that does not mean it is inappropriate to use at all times. When someone states white teachers are good, black teachers are lazy and incompetent, and black students are unteachable criminals then that is racist.

I agree we are all together in the UFT. If I knew the OP I would never complain about them to admin however, if they said something like this to me you can be sure I would call them a racist to their face.

Anonymous said...

A policy that clearly blames white people for the failures of blacks and other minority groups is racist in nature. The reason why Asian and white students do better in schools is not caused by the injustices of the white man but rather by the utter laziness of these students. It's actually an injustice to these students to give them a reason for their failure rather then actually coming out and saying the truth that they didn't work hard in class. They disrespected their schools, teachers, and their families. As a white teacher I am personally insulted that I will have to sit in a bias training workshop designed to blame me for the shortcomings of these students.

Anonymous said...

@ 10:52: I saw and spoke to a union higher up at 100 Gold St who told me nothing new for the ATR situation is planned and he said it came ex cathedra

Anonymous said...

@8:40 You don't want to be blamed for the"shortcomings of these students?" You're their teacher. You're suppose to teach them how to be students. If they didn't have shortcomings, why would they need you (the general "you". I'm sure no one actually needs you)?

Anonymous said...

@1:10PM

Spoke to someone approx a week ago. was told the plan was to reduce the pool to a more manageable number first by creating pseudo jobs- phase two- placing people outright into schools available vacancy slots. then place the remaining number into schools for a year without rotation- based on the needs of the school- more assistance, high absenteeism.

Anon2323 said...

Students need the implicit bias training as much as the teachers might. I wonder how MLK would feel specifically about african americans nowadays with all the opportunity in the world to succeed.

No parental involvement, start fining or raising taxes to parents who have kids failing, maybe they will be involved more.

Anonymous said...

Charter ("boutique") schools are a disgrace.

I was sickened when I sat, front row, at the delegate assembly, years ago when Randi Weingarten said that the possibilities, that having a UFT backed charter school presented, "b were "breath taking."

I knew then to no longer fully trust my union leadership.

No public school should be allowed to exist if it doesn't accept its fair share of ISS students and ENLs (btw. the latter group, categorically, out-perform native speakers once they grasp the English language.)

Just taking a large school and quartering it, or cutting it into thirds, isn't going to make it any better.

Holding the parents (the first teachers) and the students, themselves, accountable - - for both their behavior and their work - - is the first step to improving both schools and a child's education. The second step is providing ALL children with the resources that they need to learn.

No child gets a proper education without: as strong, supportive foundation, a safe environment that is conducive to learning, motivation and a sense of pride in and responsibility for their work and the proper materials to manipulate/utilize in their exploration.

Charter schools are just publically funded country clubs that STILL don't let everyone in.

Nona74 said...

Anon2323 Amen to that my brother/sister