Wednesday, January 15, 2020

Will Eliminaing The Gifted and Talented Programs Cause Middle Class Flight?




























Chancellor Richard Carranza's goal of integrating the New York City Public Schools has run into fierce resistance from middle class parents, especially Asian parents.  Except for a couple of District middle schools, the Chancellor has been unable to convince parents to agree to his proposals.

One exception is a Brooklyn elementary school. PS 9 which will eliminate their "Gifted and Talented" program to help foster a truly integrated classroom.  While the school's goal is a worthy cause, the reality is that it will ultimately fail as middle class families will send their children to schools that have a "Gifted and Talented" program or move to another school district.  The question is will the elimination of the "Gifted and Talented" program lead to middle class flight?  I believe it will if the school really goes through wit their ill-conceived program of integrating the classroom.

The bottom line is the school may win the battle but lose the war on integration.

42 comments:

Highly Effective King Clovis said...

I read a piece in the AMNY/METRO this morning by Jumaane Williams about this very topic. His position seemed to be that integration was best. Though I was concerned by his constant use of "Research shows" (I once had an AP who always said this and he was the most misinformed person I've ever met...he later went on to be a principal in Queens).

Part of me feels that if there are schools that are doing well, why mess with a good thing. If this PS9 declines, how quick will they try to revert back to G & T programs?

Anonymous said...

yeah it would be great if all the white teachers from Long Island would fly back to their suburbs ... and get the hell out of NYC... we do not want you here.... we don't need you here.. you are not important to NYC life or residents... let a NYC resident have your job... cause you just don't get it and no one wants to hear about your LI life so....please shut up .... You should have to pay to work here... like ALOT ... clog our streets w / your cars.. use our services.... Queens should have tolls at the border of Nassau and Queens get out of our city and stay out ... Long Island whiners.... the origin of the snow flake.... go away

Anonymous said...

What is "middle class flight"?

The fact is that NYC is a very expensive place to live!

The jobs are here!

Where are they going?

Suburbs???

Take a stand middle class!

Anonymous said...

The entire integration scheme is a farce. The only people who would like to eliminate "gifted and talented" schools and programs are the people who are neither. Unfortunately, these are the same people who are running the NYC DOE.

Anonymous said...

What is happening with gifted and talented schools that are fraud schools like Jhs 383 in Brooklyn? That place claims to be gifted and talented yet it is about as wild as wild can get.

Anonymous said...

Good intentions not withstanding, why fix something that isn’t broken? Not only isn’t it broken, these schools are the only ones that aren’t. So now it’s time to destroy them too? They are color blind - pass the test and you’re in. What the DOE should be doing is improving the lives of the kids that want a real education in their vast majority of dangerous warehouses called schools. Now those schools need some desegregation - and the only way to do that is to improve them so all kids want to go to them. Big article in NY Post today about how great NYC schools are! (https://nypost.com/2020/01/16/nyc-high-school-graduation-rate-increases-to-77-3-percent/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app) A complete farce - most Bronx NYC graduating seniors are functionally illiterate. Check the data from the local community colleges (that require only a hs diploma) and cross reference previous NYC public hs grads with remedial classes and ultimate associate degrees. The data will tell a very different story. The DOE has that data but you won’t be reading about it. Hey Sue Edelman FOIL them and the Community Colleges. A permanent underclass, thanks to who? Everyone is turning a blind eye to everything, including us. It’s evil shit. People are literally getting away with murder, thanks to the worship to the god of statistics, set in motion by former Mayor Mike Bloomberg.

Anonymous said...

Hey 11:51,

Guess what? If we Long Islanders leave all you will be left with is the SJW shmuck millennials from out of state and the Highly Educated credit recovery specialists the DOE keeps graduating. Work for a principal with no grasp of the English language yet? Picture one of your highly educated credit recovery specialists running your school and saying things like "that be mines" or "I be anything..." or pronouncing etcetera as excetera. Be thankful some of us Long Islanders have the intestinal fortitude to commute into some of the gang run war zones you call communities because to me it seems the number one priority of the people in those communities is to get out of them. Maybe you won't have to get rid of the white teachers, as you say, if you can get some black teachers who want to work there. Oh wait sorry they are fleeing to Long Island and Jersey and Westchester. Bottom line. Make your community somewhere its residents wish to stay in and you will have your own teachers. Until then we will keep helping you out.

Anonymous said...

I agree 100 percent with 5:21.

I have read that since the 1960's, politicians realized that they needed a class of people that would be dependent on the government. This class would forever vote for certain politicians because they would be taught to believe that it is the job of the government to take care of them. If people were educated and motivated to be independent, they would not enslave themselves to the government and certainly would not vote in certain politicians who only care about their own power and wealth.

This craziness going on the in the public schools is not an accident. It is a purposeful undertaking, 50 years in the making. Keeping people dependent on the government by giving out low cost or free-bees (free lunch, free school supplies, free tutoring, free school uniforms, free medical, free high school diplomas, etc). Education be damned, just make sure everyone gets a diploma say the politicians. These same non-educated, self enslaved people, will vote in the same corrupt politicians. It is a vicious cycle that LBJ understood very well.

Unfortunately, this class of people no longer includes the students and their parents but also most of those who work for the DOE. We, sadly, have become dependent on our paychecks that come from the government and most teachers will continue to vote for these nasty corrupt politicians.

waitingforsupport said...

@9:15pm says, "If we Long Islanders leave...you will be left with Highly Educated credit recovery specialists" and "until then we will keep helping you out". Your dumb azz is part of the problem. You're a keyboard warrior. Tell us how you've refused to pass students who do not deserve to be passed? Tell us how you and your colleagues went to the media about any credit recovery abuses at your school. Please, enough of your "help". I know you. You are the colleague pretending to respect your students, their parents and peers of color. You're "helping". You're doing folks a solid so they should be grateful to your azz. Despite the BS in these communities, they are still able to get up each day and move forward. Their community may not be ideal but neither is the BS/ignorance spewed from the negligent lips of folks assuming they are better than. You think you're superior because you speak grammatically correct? In my opinion you should keep your "help" to a community best suited for you and not "the hood". It's just "mines" opinion.

Anonymous said...

All white parents think their kids are gifted and talented.

Anonymous said...

Do we really think that a test for a 4 year old actually shows they are G&T?

Anonymous said...

The gifted and talented schools of today were the regular schools of 30 years ago.

Anonymous said...

@9:15 Right, it's the LI teachers who are saving the system lol.

Anonymous said...

Carranza's plan for reducing overcrowding schools and Asians/Whites making black/latinos look bad: eliminate screened schools, eliminate SHSAT and G&T, eliminate suspension of troublemakers; bus kids all over their district in the name of integration. His secret plan of a school system with ONLY below average to average students of color is working. The middle and upper class are leaving in droves though it is under reported. Private, independent, charter, catholic school enrollment is up. ISEE/SSAT/TACHS prep courses are full like they haven't been in years. Catholic schools on the verge of closing due to years of declining enrollment and money loss are on the upswing. Good going Carranza you piece of trash.

Anonymous said...

What a joke! Just because certain students can't make the grade the entire program has to be scraped??? Oh they already ruined AP in some schools since they put mediocre students in these classes to fill them up. Why does it have to be AP for all? These classes were meant for TOP students!

Anonymous said...

G&T eliminated today. SHSAT is next. Then AP courses. Within 5 years the DOE will be left as the worst big city public school district next to LA, Chicago and D.C. High graduation rates but low college readiness.

Bronx ATR said...

What exactly is Carranza saying? My 87 year old mom said it best , ‘He’s saying Blacks and Hispanics are too stupid to pass the test, therefor we’ll make the tests easier.’ Maybe the NAACP should get involved - this is incredibly insulting to Black and Hispanics all over this city. Carranza should be getting all kids extra help, if they want it, to pass those tests. The worst schools should get the kind of forced invasive treatment that these great schools are getting. DeBlasio, you will never hold office again. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Anon2323 said...

Never thought I would say this, but thank goodness we have regents testing. Its really the only little standard we are holding the students to. High schools are basically diploma factories.

@11:51 where the hell does long island teachers even come from? The commute is menacing enough than you have to deal with admins who are incompetent and better yet students who have as much discipline as my left ball sack.

waitingforsupport said...

We don't know who is TOP. We know who has tested well. Do you actually believe that only the smartest students get into specialized high schools, colleges,etc? If you said yes, I have a bridge connecting Brooklyn and Manhattan that I'd like to sell to you.

waitingforsupport said...

@2:08pm...don't say that too loud. The system is a mucking fess. Lol

Anonymous said...

@10:45 that just comes from better parental role modeling!!!!

waitingforsupport said...

@659...what says granny about the hatefulness that spews from the lips of the rapists, thieves, liars and fools who believe in maintaining the status quo? I'm also curious to know what grand mama has to say about why some folks on this site rightfully use their voice about the injustice at work but have zero tolerance for blacks and Hispanics when they voice about their injustice? Splain that grandmama...I need another reason to laugh today. You,grandmama, are full of ahem...many things.

waitingforsupport said...

@6:33am you think that's better patenting? 不不不不不不

Anonymous said...

@waitingforabetterlife I don't know about better "patenting" I do know a dictionary and a higher standard could help you!

Bronx ATR said...

@Waiting for Support,
Your comprehension level seems frightfully damaged. My mom doesn’t read blogs, but has stood up for the rights of immigrants, unions and minorities her whole life. And go fuck yourself btw.

waitingforsupport said...

@9:51am: Touche. I just found my dictionary and used it to correctly spell parenting. As for a higher standard, EVERYONE can benefit from having one.

waitingforsupport said...

@Bronx ATR...continue @ucking yourself. You and the seer are assuming/deducing the meaning of Carranza's actions. What a sanctimonious loser. I guess there aren't other reasons why he came to his position. Nope we ALL must agree with the all knowing grandmama and her floating grandbaby. Let me leave you alone so that you can continue servicing yourself in the dark, dank basement. PS I didn't use my dictionary so pardon any mistakes.

Anonymous said...

@waitingforsomeonetoseviceyou - You seem lonely and angry. I'm concerned for your students welfare. Also your grammar, sentence structure and spelling tell me your a nyc graduate so glad you stayed there!!!

waitingforsupport said...

@7:34am or shall I say BoogiedownBronxATRfloater..lol. You're right--I am a NYC graduate. I think you were my teacher but you didn't do your job booboo. Both you and the grandmama are seers. Did grandmama let you out of the basement or did your arm get tired? Rest up...back to floating and whining tomorrow. Loser.

waitingforsupport said...

@BronxAssTurdReject wrote, "your grammar... tell me YOUR a nyc graduate" lol. You can't make this s#it up. The Judge is very judgemental. Rofl.

Bronx ATR said...

@waitingforsupport,
Listen dear, if I write something you’ll know it’s from me. I don’t judge anyone - especially via grammar. Insult me all like, if that makes you feel better. Peace to you.

Anonymous said...

@waitingforaboytoy - knew you were a graduate of the nyshitty duhhhh system! so easy to spot.
you cant be blamed for such low standards... look where you came from!

waitingforsupport said...

@bronxATR...my apologies to you.

waitingforsupport said...

@5:08pm...i refer you to the beautifully written 7:34 post ROFL.
Milktoast...watered town coffee. You're a fly. Night night simpleton.

Anonymous said...

@waitingforthatnewblowupdoll - I do believe you were a crackbaby?

waitingforsupport said...

@9:36: I do know that your mommy is your dad's aunt. You're your dad's cousin-son. However consider your weak, nervous, punk azz lucky because your mommy was also "friendly" with the family dog. ROFL. #mousewhositsintheloungebitingnails

Anonymous said...

@waitingfordepends - I do believe you peed yourself! ahhahahaahah LMFAO

waitingforsupport said...

@7:47pm...the mouse who sits in the lounge trembling,grinning and biting its nails:you're an idiot!

Anonymous said...

@waitingforapricipalwhowillloveme - it was easier than I thought to make you my bitch!

waitingforsupport said...

@6:55...the mousewhositsintheloungetremblingandgrinning: Your mother's name is Big Bitch the neighborhood mattress.

Anonymous said...

@5:02 thank you for copying my lines. just proves my point that your a pathetic loser and nyshitty is the only place that would have you, ahhahahahaha

waitingforsupport said...

@8:27pm...take your meds. Re-read your comments before sending dumbazz. Ask your daddycousin or stripper mom to proofread. I know you: You're the pervert all the students torment and complain about. You're the loser who eats a cheese sandwich and 2 grapes everyday. You have dandruff and bad breath but is clueless about personal space. Go find mattress mommy so she can breastfeed your dirty azz. Talk to you soon. Lol